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  How jw parents do their best to make their some feel guilt

  by will-be-apostate in

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  12 years ago

  i've got a 6 years old brother who recently expressed his concerns about my spirituality.

  he said that he had a dream about me being dead (i am at college, far away from my parents).

  he also told my parents that he was afraid i would no longer be a jw and in that case he wouldn't hug me again anymore; and that he was crying and felt very sad.. my dad called me today and told me all this and more.

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  Give them a hard time for raising you in a religion with a history of prophetic failure, and a history of destroying families who's children leave because of those failures.

  That was their choice and they have to choose whether, or not, to destroy their relationships with their children when they can no longer pretend that the WT's failures are not covered by Deuteronomy 18:20-22. If they want to claim Jehovah hasn't failed, it is up to them explain any literature you bring to the table.

  Start with the likes of typing 'selling homes short' into their WTCD and asking them to explain what it means without changing the subject or treating you llike a knuckle dragging retard.

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  Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'

  by Simon in

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  12 years ago

  it seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.

  it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.

  do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  'In their face' apostacy doesn't work well. The WT has provided them with coping strategies for it, so you need get cunning if you want to slip one past the goalie.

  It's better to have them wanting to answer a question they don't have an answer for, than dusting off their feet and looking for an 'honest hearted' person.

  A lot here have talked about having their doubts while in. Calmly raising a doubt to deal with has to be more effective than chasing them off chanting "Get behind me Satan!", even if it is just a doubt they have already been trying to bury. If they do have an existing doubt, why bring up a new one or try to send them off to jwfacts or sickscreams? They'll google them up when they are good and ready. Our job is just to get them ready and let them know that we are there to support them when they realise that the wheels have fallen off jehovah's chariot.

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  Gosh, what do you do with people like this?

  by Julia Orwell in

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  12 years ago

  ok i'm chatting on facebook with a guy who's studying with jws, who isn't yet an unbaptised publisher because he can't kick the cancer sticks.

  now i don't believe in the bible anymore, but i say i do to get a bit of common ground with this guy.

  it's a common attitude among jws.

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  You can't do his reasoning for him because the WT has disabled that function. If you can't reactivate the function you might as well just take your kids to the beach.

  Ask him a single question that he would really like to have an answer for, but you know the WT hasn't provided sensible answers for, then keep him honest and on topic, pouncing on double standards and dishonesty, etc. using questions rather than statements. E.g. If he supports the WT by making statements that are contradicted by the WT, do not tell him he is wrong and why, make him promise to find the quotes he thinks exists and deliver them within a time limit so that he has to front up empty handed, slink off knowing he was beaten, or embarrass himself by getting caught attempting to divert you with a distraction technique as if he thinks you are some kind of retard.

  He needs to feel some guilt because he failed when you nailed him to the wall on one topic, not glee because he took you on a merry dance and never properly forced him to confront anything of importance to him.

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  C,O's,D,O's from down under...who remembers??

  by karter in

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  12 years ago

  wolford and betty john,nice loveing couple,always loved children.. arther and tinnie roderson, nice couple he passed away some years ago too young from cancer.. wiakato and hine gray couldn't ask for better people.. jack teesie ..single guy would never go to a single sisters place for dinner even if she had children apperantly a bad look.. joe sleighman and wife nice couple were d.o's leaft and joined our side.. sandy pannell and wife...he reminded me of bill clinton always love to look down from the stage and wave his left finger at the congro....never liked him.. han's hubler,nuff said has been a few threads started about him.. there is many more.. karter..

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  Found another photo including Ridling a couple of days ago. Lots of other old timers too. Generations now mostly dead. Been too busy to have a close look.

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  Help me find this quote: "Bible cannot be understood apart from the WT"

  by UnConfused in

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  12 years ago

  thanks.

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  "It can be understood only in company with God’s true visible organization, the one filled with his holy spirit." WT Nov 15, 1961, pages 691&2, par 14

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  How many of these books have your read?

  by Calebs Airplane in

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  One. COC.

  I already knew the WT was all crap before I ordered it, so it didn't change anything for me.

  I also have 'Have You Seen My Mother' by Bryan Lee McGlothin

  

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  C,O's,D,O's from down under...who remembers??

  by karter in

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  12 years ago

  wolford and betty john,nice loveing couple,always loved children.. arther and tinnie roderson, nice couple he passed away some years ago too young from cancer.. wiakato and hine gray couldn't ask for better people.. jack teesie ..single guy would never go to a single sisters place for dinner even if she had children apperantly a bad look.. joe sleighman and wife nice couple were d.o's leaft and joined our side.. sandy pannell and wife...he reminded me of bill clinton always love to look down from the stage and wave his left finger at the congro....never liked him.. han's hubler,nuff said has been a few threads started about him.. there is many more.. karter..

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  I know most of the older ones. Have photos of many of them.

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  A little help from you Apostate friends.LOL

  by jam in

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  12 years ago

  a posted a topic a few days ago about my ex-brother-law who came.

  by to visit me.

  well he called and he would love to hear why i am not.

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  Don't answer his question. He just wants an easy target and if you give him a list, he gets to choose which, if any, he addresses.

  Make him explain why he is still a member when .... and then pick one question at a time and don't let him change the subject. Make him do the talking, the explaining, the reasoning. You shut up except to use questions to keep him honest and on topic. You can't reason his way out of the cult for him. He has to do it. Take control of the conversations and make him confront the issues he usually manages to avoid.

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  More WT Propaganda: 10 Year Old Children Should Get Baptized!

  by Oubliette in

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  12 years ago

  i just caught this in an upcoming study article which will be "studied" in the congregations the week of 11/18-24/13:.

  he and his wife were elated when their eldest daughter, age ten, told them that she loved her parents, loved the brothers and sisters, and loved jehovah very much.

  she said that she wanted to dedicate her life to jehovah and get baptized.

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  Back in 1969 kids of 14 were ...

  People who were only just old enough to understand what was happening to the world in 1914 are now approaching seventy years of age. WT July 1st page 395

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  Have I got this right?

  by why144000 in

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  12 years ago

  there are now 4 classes of annointed.. 1. those alive in jesus day who heard him say "this generation will by no means pass away...".

  these are all dead and buried.. 2. this group was on hand in 1914, and they readily discerned the sign of christs presence in that year.

  those who made up this group were not merely alive in 1914, but they were spirit-anointed as sons of god in or before that year.

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  Black Sheep 12 years ago

  Google 'contemporaries'

  It does not mean that lives overlapped. Your son is not a contemporary of your grandfather even if you do have a photo of them together. The WT uses the word illegitimately and the passage they are misusing doesn't use it at all.

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